If marriage feels difficult, it’s not because you and your spouse are incompatible. It’s because you’re married. On today’s episode, Jackie and Preston are joined by mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien for a conversation about fighting for intimacy. They talk about recognizing dysfunctional rhythms, finding opportunities to connect, not building cases against your spouse, healthy confrontation, and utilizing the greatest tool God has given us to find oneness in marriage: communication. Follow the Fabiens: https://instagram.com/hangingwiththefabiens/ Watch Hanging Out With The Fabiens: @hangingwiththefabiens Follow Preston: https://www.instagram.com/preston_n_perry/ Follow Jackie: https://www.instagram.com/jackiehillperry/ Follow The Perrys: https://www.instagram.com/withtheperrys/ ------ Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter: https://withtheperrys.com/newsletter To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal: https://paypal.me/withtheperrys? To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. ------ www.withtheperrys.com

Dr. Jay Barnett sits down with 2x NBA champion Josh Powell for one of the most transparent and necessary conversations yet on Just Heal with Dr. Jay. Known for his time with the Lakers and his close friendship with Kobe Bryant, Josh opens up in ways we rarely see from athletes—sharing his grief, growth, and healing journey. This episode dives deep into fatherhood, forgiveness, and the silent battles men fight daily. Josh unpacks what it felt like to be blocked from seeing his daughter, how he remained present as a father and husband, and why loving from afar doesn’t excuse you from showing up. He and Dr. Jay discuss how checking in with yourself, before you check out, can be a lifesaving act. They talk about the power of journaling, waking up with the Word, and releasing anger you’ve been holding too long. Josh also reflects on losing Kobe Bryant, how that moment shifted his life, and why healing is not a destination—it’s an ongoing process that requires honesty, pause, and presence. This episode is a masterclass on emotional maturity, grieving out loud, and learning to sit in your own spirit, even as a married man fighting battles in silence. If you’ve ever felt unseen, struggled with unresolved emotions, or questioned whether healing is even possible, this is the conversation you didn’t know you needed. Subscribe to Just Heal with Dr. Jay New episodes available exclusively on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Listen on Apple https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/just-heal-with-dr-jay/id1808615517 Listen on iHeart https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1248-just-heal-with-dr-jay-272562807/ Listen on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/5jG2MK3hU042WgoARRPw7O #JustHealWithDrJay #KobeBryant #JustHeal #MentalHealthMatters #BlackMenHeal #JoshPowell #NBAChampion #Fatherhood #GriefJourney #CheckIn #Masculinity #Healing #Mensmentalhealth #EmotionalWellness #SpiritualGrowth #DrJayBarnett

Boldness isn’t making public stances on things all the time, and it’s not just saying everything that pops into your head. In this episode, Jackie and Preston talk about what it truly means to cultivate holistic boldness as a Christ follower today. It’s about obedience to God, death to self, and empowerment by the Holy Spirit. And you don’t have to feel bold to be bold. Let’s talk about it. Follow Preston: https://www.instagram.com/preston_n_perry/ Follow Jackie: https://www.instagram.com/jackiehillperry/ Follow The Perrys: https://www.instagram.com/withtheperrys/ Here's Jackie's video about Beyonce' (mentioned in the podcast): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuXMeFvg8tI ------ Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter: https://withtheperrys.com/newsletter To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal: https://paypal.me/withtheperrys? To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. ------ www.withtheperrys.com

From being long distance to living in the same city and then taking a pivotal trip together to the Caribbean, the Perrys’ dating relationship had a bit of a rocky start. Jackie ended things with Preston not once but twice, she says out of fear of Preston’s loving pursuit of her. It didn’t help that Preston didn’t know how to lead her well. There’s a lot they would have done differently, but in the end, their story is a reflection of Jesus’ Gospel pursuit of each of us. Follow Preston: https://www.instagram.com/preston_n_perry/ Follow Jackie: https://www.instagram.com/jackiehillperry/ Follow The Perrys: https://www.instagram.com/withtheperrys/ ------ Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter: https://withtheperrys.com/newsletter To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal: https://paypal.me/withtheperrys? To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. ------ www.withtheperrys.com

Many of us got comfortable not going to church through the pandemic and we’re slowly finding our way back. The Bible tells us we need other Christians and we’re missing something if we don’t gather together to hear God’s Word. But our relationship to church can still be complicated. Jackie and Preston’s conversation today covers topics like worship style preferences, doctrinally sound preaching and discipleship, the pressure that local pastors face because of social media, and the topic of church hurt. Follow Preston: https://www.instagram.com/preston_n_perry/ Follow Jackie: https://www.instagram.com/jackiehillperry/ Follow The Perrys: https://www.instagram.com/withtheperrys/ ------ Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter: https://withtheperrys.com/newsletter To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal: https://paypal.me/withtheperrys? To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. ------ www.withtheperrys.com

A few years back, the Perrys started a series on the podcast called “Teach the Text,” and that’s the format of today’s new episode. Jackie teaches through Genesis 16 – the story of Hagar, Abram, and Sarai – reflecting on the unique questions that only a woman might think to ask of this text. Jackie and Preston discuss impatience, idolatry, and misplaced hope, at the end pointing us to the God who sees us in our suffering. Get your tickets to a Glory event this fall: www.jackiehillperry.com Shop BOLD Apparel at BOLDApparel.Shop. Help us get to know you: https://wkf.ms/3SHxrJQ To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com www.jackiehillperry.com www.preston-perry.com

Jackie and Preston revisit a conversation had during the very first season of the podcast – how to argue well. Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy in relationships. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the past five years. Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter: https://withtheperrys.com/newsletter Shop BOLD Apparel at BOLDApparel.Shop. To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal: https://paypal.me/withtheperrys? To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. www.withtheperrys.com

In our communication of the gospel message, many of us overemphasize the fall, leading the conversation by starting with our sin. We inherited sin, but we were not created to be sinful. It is wiser for us to begin the gospel conversation by communicating the nature of God – “God is good.” Join Jackie and Preston for Part 1 of a conversation on engaging those around us with the gospel, and being anchored in love as we do so. Pre-order Jackie’s book, Upon Waking: UponWakingBook.com Follow Preston: https://www.instagram.com/preston_n_perry/ Follow Jackie: https://www.instagram.com/jackiehillperry/ Follow The Perrys: https://www.instagram.com/withtheperrys/ ------ Subscribe to the Perrys' newsletter: https://withtheperrys.com/newsletter To support the work of the Perrys, donate via PayPal: https://paypal.me/withtheperrys? To advertise with the Perrys, visit WithThePerrys.com/Partner. ------ www.withtheperrys.com